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Hey are there any power engineers or people in HR out there that could give me some info on power engineering? I've had some friends go through the program at bait and have done well. This was years ago during different economic times. I am curious what employment opportunities look like in the future. I am currently an electrician and instrumentation tech would this increase employment opportunities? Any info would be great thanks.

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fatgirlpounder

12 points · 4 months ago

I haven't heard a single positive thing about the PE job market since the economic crash. In fact, I don't know if there is a more over-saturated job market out there.

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rbc648

1 point · 4 months ago

I've met a ton of boiler operator's the last few winter's who are out of work power engineers, definitely doesn't seem too promising

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TheMisterWizard

4 points · 4 months ago

Are you having difficulty finding employment as an electrician and instrument technician? Anyone I know with either of those credentials has no trouble finding work right now.

Power Engineers make a lot of money and are highly desirable, but the work shifts are generally totally out of your control (expect to work nights, Days, and everything in between). It's also generally long term employee positions on shift work, rather than getting hired for a job here and there.

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chuckslower

Original Poster1 point · 4 months ago

I'm employed but would like a change and possibly more income. I would be looking full time long term I'm not a fan of contract work.

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faceripper840

2 points · 4 months ago

Some C&SU companies also have commissioning operators. I’ve seen E/I guys use 4th class to get their foot in the door that way. Otherwise leaving the trade to start operating with just 4th class I haven’t seen be very successful. Right now it’s clearly an advantage being dual. Some good opportunities if you know where to look.

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chuckslower

Original Poster1 point · 4 months ago

I would go to Nait which I believe gets you ready for third class.

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faceripper840

1 point · 4 months ago

Why are you considering leaving E/I? That took considerable time and effort to get that certification.

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chuckslower

Original Poster1 point · 4 months ago

I'm not really a fan of working with my hands. I though power engineering might bump me I to a position that would financially make it more appealing.

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HAGARtheWhorible

1 point · 4 months ago · edited 4 months ago

Most of us E&I guys prefer working with our hands. The softer work is something we would like to avoid. That being said there’s plenty of niche rolls that someone with your preference could fill. Anything some working for epc’s to working with analyzers. Leadership roles too are available if you don’t like tool time.

As for the financial part, the lowest wage is around $40 an hour, that’s pretty good no?

And have you ever worked beside power engineers? Lots of using their hands…

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chuckslower

Original Poster1 point · 4 months ago

Thanks for the help. I should say I would work with my hands but Right now I don't get paid enough to do feel good about going to work. 40 an hour would be nice yes. I may end up sticking around my current field and looking for a better fitting job thanks.

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the-tru-albertan

Blackfalds1 point · 4 months ago

I have my 4th. I also have over 9 years of processing experience which helps a lot. The experience is what really holds up a lot of new 4th's coming out of school.

Lots of 4ths and 3rds exist today tho. The times of companies coming right into school and hiring on the spot are far behind us. Different economy and a saturated employment pool means it's pretty tough to get in operations side.

However, that being said, it has still opened doors for me. You already have 2 major portions of the course under your belt.

Go for it. You planning on going right to NAIT/SAIT or doing it online? I did mine online through NAIT.

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chuckslower

Original Poster1 point · 4 months ago

I didn't realize you could do it online I thought it was only in class at Nait if I can do it online I would. Nait only gets you 4th class or it's o my 4th class online?

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the-tru-albertan

Blackfalds2 points · 4 months ago

To further clarify, NAIT does NOT get you a 4th Class ticket. It is merely a required course you must take as per ABSA. You pass the ABSA exams, get 6 months steam time then they send you your 4th Class ticket.

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radspasticcatplastic

1 point · 4 months ago

To add to this, a lot of companies look for the 2 year course when hiring new employees. Taking the course will leave you in a much better position for finding employment than doing the program by correspondence.

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chuckslower

Original Poster1 point · 4 months ago

Thanks for the info I thought that might be the case w years off work is tough

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the-tru-albertan

Blackfalds1 point · 4 months ago

Online thru NAIT prepares you for the ABSA exams. The entire 4th Class course is split into two parts. Part A prepares you for the ABSA Part A exam and the Part B for the ABSA Part B.

Once you have Part A done, you can challenge ABSA Part A. Same thing with your Part B.

You need 6 months of steam time as well. Steam time really trips a lot of people up. You pretty much have to be working in a steam plant already in order to get it. If not, you can do the steam lab at NAIT/SAIT.

Taking the online course has the same outcome as taking it in house. Gets you ready for the exams.

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swiftcanuck

1 point · 4 months ago

I’ve got a few cousins who have had excellent jobs as power engineers, but at coal plants and now they’re laid off. it seems like a scary field to get into right now with so much uncertainty about how our electricity will be generated 10 years from now

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Gillingspree

1 point · 4 months ago

I’m an instrument tech, if I had my electrical ticket as well, I feel as tho I would never be out of work as I’ve been employed full time by a large oil company for close to 10 years. I believe I could pick where I wanted to work anywhere in Canada (and beyond) with a dual ticket combined with my extensive experience.

Getting a power engineering certification On top of that would be butter on bacon (overkill) IMO.

The operators/power engineers I work with make good money, however it can be a dirty job and you will be working shift work unless you move up the ladder to upper management.

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chuckslower

Original Poster1 point · 4 months ago

Yeah I get they might not co.pliment eachother but I like the idea of a wage increase. Do you find the power eng you work with make more?

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chuckslower

Original Poster1 point · 4 months ago

Thanks If I go for power eng I'm hoping it helps

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Gillingspree

1 point · 4 months ago

Aside from unit leaders, or supervision I make the same money.

I make more money then them before they “qualify” in their respective operating plants.

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IceColdKool

1 point · 4 months ago

Lots of unemployed steamfitters are taken PE only to find there's 5 people for every 1 job.

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chuckslower

Original Poster2 points · 4 months ago

Thanks I don't think PE is going to be the right choice for me sounds like the market is very saturated.

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lazyassdog

1 point · 4 months ago

Still a demand for first class. Some demand for second class.

Unfortunately you need a ton of steam time to get to that point and third/fourth class is heavily saturated currently.

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27_lost_squids

1 point · 4 months ago

I’m currently taking power engineering in high school through nait. To become a certified 4th class power engineer you need two things: Your provincial (ABSA) test, and a recorded amount of steam time (time operating boilers and other pressure vessels). With out either of these things you cannot get your steam ticket. There are many people who have written their government test, but do not have their steam time which can make it tricky to find a job. If you want to get into power engineering I would recommend that you find a place that can get you steam time. You can also pay some collages to work in a steam lab to get your steam time.

I hope this helps!

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blaqsaqattaq

1 point · 4 months ago

Colleges are probably still boasting about jobs but unless you have a 2nd class or at least working on 2nd class papers WITH experience, you may have a hard time getting hired. Currently oversaturated I believe.

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chuckslower

Original Poster1 point · 4 months ago

So in your opinion it's not worth getting into? Would electrical and istumentation help getting my foot in the door.

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When Tucker was done reading “ The Easiest Order To Write Your Power Engineering Exams ” in the comments he asked, “Where did you get the credit to get the full steam time from 4th-1st within 3.75 years? Curious to know if there are any courses out there to reduce steam time for 2nd/1st. Thank you.”

This comment reminded me of when I was in that exact situation, looking for an approved online course to reduce my required firing time. It was/is difficult to find which Colleges or Universities are offering approved online programs/courses to reduce the required firing time to complete your certification.

Throughout 4th to 1st class I completed online Power Engineering distance learning courses to reduce my required firing time. Here is a summary of the courses I completed through each class to reduce my required firing time.

4th Class – NAIT program completion = 6 month required firing time reduction. 12 month required firing time to 6 month required firing time with completing an approved distance learning course. If tackling your 4th Class through distance learning it’s now a requirement to complete an approved course to qualify to take a 4th Class Power Engineer’s Certificate of Competency examination. From the ABSA website: “Qualification for 4th Class Examination, a candidate must have successfully completed a 4th class course in power engineering satisfactory to the Administrator.”

3rd Class – NAIT Program completion = 6 month required firing time reduction. 12 month required firing time to 6 month required firing time with completing an approved distance learning course. From the ABSA website: “The Administrator may grant 6 months’ credit towards the work experience for the successful completion of a 3rd class power engineering course.”

2nd Class – NAIT Part A, SAIT Part B Program completion = 9 month required firing time reduction. 24 month required firing time to 15 month required firing time with completing an approved distance learning course. From the ABSA website: “The Administrator may grant 9 months’ credit towards the work experience required by the successful completion of a 2nd class power engineering course.”

1st Class – SAIT program completion = 12 month required firing time reduction. 30 month required firing time reduction to 18 month required firing time with completing an approved distance learning course. From the ABSA website: “The Administrator may grant 12 months’ credit towards the experience for successful completion of a course in power engineering satisfactory to the Administrator that leads towards a 1st Class Power Engineer’s Certificate of Competency examination.”

Note: This is a summary of my experience while completing my Power Engineering examinations. The regulations have already changed for 4th Class. Make sure you check with your local jurisdiction for the regulations specific to your situation. 

With Tuckers question in mind here is a list of all the Power Engineering distance learning courses across Canada I’m aware of.

The Power Engineering distance learning programs are separated by province, much like the Power Engineering Steam Labs & Your Complete List Of Power Engineering Programs posts.

If you’re looking for a summary of all the Power Engineering Training Courses available across Canada. You can read more about all of the 75 plus Full Time, Distance Learning, Exam Prep and Steam Lab available courses here Power Engineering Training Courses

If you’ve already completed a Power Engineering distance learning course(s), from one of the Colleges or Universities listed below, make sure you fill out the poll at the bottom of the post. The poll has been set up to enable multiple votes. I’ve voted NAIT & SAIT. It’ll be interesting to see where the majority of Power Engineers completed their distance learning courses.

Power Engineering Distance Learning Courses British Columbia

British Columbia Institute Of Technology “BCIT”

Location: Burnaby, British Columbia

Course Name: Power Engineering

Program: Firing time reduction for 4th Class Certification, 3rd Class Certification, 2nd Class Certification, 1st Class Certification.

Find out more information here: BCIT Power Engineering

Find out more information here: Power Engineering Distance Learning Brochure

Power Engineering Distance Learning Courses Alberta

Northern Alberta Institute Of Technologies “NAIT”

Location: Edmonton, Alberta

Course Name: Power Engineering Computer Managed Learning Course

Program: Firing time reduction for 5th Class Certification, 4th Class Certification, 3rd Class Certification, 2nd Class Certification Part A.

Find out more information here: NAIT Power Engineering Computer Managed Learning Courses

Southern Alberta Institute Of Technologies “SAIT”

Location: Calgary, Alberta

Course Name: Power Engineering Certificate Of Achievements

Program: Firing time reduction for 5th Class Certification, 4th Class Certification, 3rd Class Certification, 2nd Class Certification, 1st Class Certification.

Find out more information here:   5th Class Power Engineering Certificate Of Achievement

4th Class Power Engineering Certificate Of Achievement

3rd Class Power Engineering Certificate Of Achievement

2nd Class Power Engineering Certificate Of Achievement

1st Class Power Engineering Certificate Of Achievement

Lakeland College

Location: Lloydminster, Alberta

Course Name: Power Engineering – Online & Blended Learning

Program: Firing time reduction for 4th Class Certification, 3rd Class Certification, 2nd Class Certification.

Find out more information here:   4th Class Power Engineering – Online & Blended Learning

3rd Class Power Engineering – Online & Blended Learning

2nd Class Power Engineering – Online & Blended Learning

Keyano College

Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta

Course Name: Power Engineering – Computer Managed Learning

Program: Firing time reduction for 4th Class Certification, 3rd Class Certification.

Find out more information here: Keyano College Power Engineering – Computer Managed Learning

Northern Lakes College

Location: Peace River, AB

Course Name: Power Engineering 5th/4th/3rd Class

Program: Firing time reduction for 5th Class Certification, 4th Class Certification, 3rd Class Certification.

Find out more information here:   Power Engineering 5th Class

Power Engineering 4th Class

Power Engineering 3rd Class

Power Engineering Distance Learning Courses Saskatchewan

Lakeland College

Location: Lloydminster, Alberta

Course Name: Power Engineering – Online & Blended Learning

Program: Firing time reduction for 4th Class Certification, 3rd Class Certification, 2nd Class Certification.

Find out more information here:   4th Class Power Engineering – Online & Blended Learning

3rd Class Power Engineering – Online & Blended Learning

2nd Class Power Engineering – Online & Blended Learning

Power Engineering Distance Learning Courses Manitoba

Red River College

Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba

Course Name: Power Engineering

Program: Firing time reduction for 5th Class Certification, 4th Class Certification, 3rd Class Certification.

Find out more information here:   Red River College – 5th Class Power Engineering

Red River College – 4th Class Power Engineering

Red River College – 3rd Class Power Engineering

Power Engineering Distance Learning Courses Ontario

Location: Ontario, Canada

Course Name: Power Engineering Training Services

Program: Firing time reduction for 4th Class Certification, 3rd Class Certification, 2nd Class Certification, 1st Class Certification.

Find out more information here:  4th Class Power Engineering Training Services

3rd Class Power Engineering Training Services

2nd Class Power Engineering Training Services

1st Class Power Engineering Training Services

Power Engineering Distance Learning Courses Quebec

Does the rest of Eastern Canada, not offer distance learning Power Engineering programs? Do you know of any? Let me know in the comments below.

Power Engineering Distance Learning Courses Prince Edward Island

Power Engineering Courses Newfoundland

Power Engineering Courses Nova Scotia

Power Engineering Courses New Brunswick

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If you haven’t completed a distance learning Power Engineering course, click the blue “View Results” below, to see where Power Engineers have completed theirs. Multiple votes have been enabled for this poll.

Note: I imagine this list will evolve over time as more Power Engineering distance learning courses are offered. If you are aware of any other courses throughout Canada that are not on the list, let me know in the comments below, with the website link and I’ll add them. I imagine there is as, I have a hard time believe none of the Universities or Colleges offer such a course in Eastern Canada.

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S Porter

Check out Cambrian College in Sudbury Ontario for Second Class. Also http://www.pwrengtraining.ca …. I’m not sure of their validity but worth a look.

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Power Engineering 101

I checked out Cambrian College and couldn’t find anything for online distance learning programs. I believe they have three different full time Power Engineering programs which is impressive. I have those listed here https://www.powerengineering101.com/complete-list-power-engineering-programs/

Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll definitely check them out and see which jurisdictions approve their course.

Thanks Porter.

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John

I’m thinking of doing correspondence through NAIT. Do you need to get the textbooks like SAIT requires you to or is everything online?

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Power Engineering 101

John,

When I completed my 4th, 3rd, and first half of 2nd Class NAIT correspondence course from 2011-2012 I was required to purchase the textbooks. I’d imagine that’s still the case as I haven’t heard of Pan Global having approved online textbooks or E-books.

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John

Ya you’re right. Thanks for the reply! How did you manage to complete your 3rd in 6 months? I just registered for the 3rd class A correspondence course. They give you a 52 weeks but I would love to finish both A & B as quick as you did. Any tips?

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Power Engineering 101

John,

It was definitely a lot of studying in a short amount of time to complete my 3rd Class in 6 months. One thing that helped me was having friends each working on their 3rd class at the same time. We’d all study together and have a competition amongst ourselves who could do better on the Part B exams when we wrote them.

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I need to update the links to the Lakeland College websites under the Power Engineering Distance Learning Courses Alberta & Saskatchewan for the following:

4th Class – https://web.lakelandcollege.ca/academics/continuing-edu/course/con_ed03081201.aspx

3rd Class – https://web.lakelandcollege.ca/academics/continuing-edu/course/con_ed03081202.aspx

Thank you.

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David Wilhelm

Looking to do forth class power engineering online in Ontario. Is there anywhere to do this that know of? Or can I register to SAIT/NAIT and complete from Ontario? Currently living in Calgary but moving to Ontario this fall. Any help is appreciated. Thanks David

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